Posts by Half banana

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God is going to kill all of his unbelieving children at Armageddon

by Half banana in

jws are taught to think in a childish, simplistic and paranoid way.. the ticket to paradise includes a gory bloodfest of unimaginable proportions.

and jws calmly and unquestioningly trust and even look forward to this happening.. what about the morality of this unprecedented solution to mankind’s problems?

(there is evidence in the earth’s crust that noah’s flood never happened so it doesn’t count as a precedent).. sweep all of your problems under the biblical carpet and you know that god will sort it all out by the ultimate act of near total genocide—or not!

Half banana

Yes sir82 It is possible to reduce most ideas to an absurdity which makes it seem trivial. However, religious faith is a demand for belief in the supernatural and people are lulled into compliance by a very long tradition and are held there by the social acceptability of identifying as a believer. Humans always want to do what they see others doing! It is acceptable to believe in idiotic teachings if they are justified in the Bible however unreasonable.

I offer my reductionist thought as an indictment against lazy complacency and misplaced trust, all believers alike should stop and think how ludicrous these Bible fairy tales are if taken literally.

How can JWs get exposure to logical thought?

How did we personally shake off stupid beliefs?

Isn't it the same process of growing up and realizing there is no Father Christmas?

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God is going to kill all of his unbelieving children at Armageddon

by Half banana in

jws are taught to think in a childish, simplistic and paranoid way.. the ticket to paradise includes a gory bloodfest of unimaginable proportions.

and jws calmly and unquestioningly trust and even look forward to this happening.. what about the morality of this unprecedented solution to mankind’s problems?

(there is evidence in the earth’s crust that noah’s flood never happened so it doesn’t count as a precedent).. sweep all of your problems under the biblical carpet and you know that god will sort it all out by the ultimate act of near total genocide—or not!

Half banana

JWs are taught to think in a childish, simplistic and paranoid way.

The ticket to paradise includes a gory bloodfest of unimaginable proportions. . . and JWs calmly and unquestioningly trust and even look forward to this happening.

What about the morality of this unprecedented solution to mankind’s problems? (There is evidence in the earth’s crust that Noah’s flood never happened so it doesn’t count as a precedent).

Sweep all of your problems under the Biblical carpet and you know that God will sort it all out by the ultimate act of near total genocide—or not! Actually genocide refers to the death of a nation, this would be anthropocide, the virtual death of humanity as performed by a loving father, the supposed creator of humankind. Destruction will come like the visitation to earth of a wayward asteroid selectively destroying 99.9% of the planet’s inhabitants and leaving only those who listen to the governing body of an American religious corporation.

Have doomsday cults ever got it right?

Really is it likely to happen?

Firstly I want to say, like all reasonable parents, that I love my kids unconditionally. Two of my children are PIMI and one is POMO but with favorable words for the religion he no longer attends.

It crossed my mind to tell my two PIMI offspring that now that they have reached adulthood, as their loving father I have decided (like God!) to kill off all of my children who do not agree with me…………

Actually I won’t do this, it’s a bit melodramatic but really isn’t this what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe? Isn’t this what Armageddon is about?

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Struggling to Live a Lie

by Addison0998 in

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it’s been very difficult, much more than i first anticipated to live a lie, (be pimo and a regular active member) i still live with my parents but i plan on moving out at the end of the year, so i really need to keep it together.

but i think people are starting to get suspicious that something is up.

i’ve stopped commenting, going on service all the time, talking at the door, and occasionally voicing something, such as a question that no one has a good answer for, that makes people think, but ahah, thinking is dangerous and wrong so that is suspicious of course.

Half banana

We all feel for you Addison, what you are going through is what it must be like for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of JWs, rolling their eyes at meetings and impatiently waiting to escape. What a dire cult!

I'm with JW_Rogue here, while you still have to conform, ask simple but thought provoking questions when you encounter illogical statements as if you are puzzled-- it will get others to challenge the stupidity of JW teachings.

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Bible Teach Book points the finger at JW's themselves!

by The Fall Guy in

one of my all-time favourite illustrations:.

bible teach, chap.

16 p. 154 pars.

Half banana

When you stop and consider the the reasons for using these illustrations, it is purely to put the wind up JWs who might start thinking for themselves. The Watchtower want zombies who are kept subservient through guilt and fear.

However, if a JW did give some thought to it. . .

1/JW org says that all other religions contaminate true worship. Is it not easy to spot that the illustration and its language is a crude fear mongering ploy to stop witnesses thinking and mixing with non JWs?

2/ With a bit of reasoning on provable fundamentals (which JWs are discouraged from at all costs) then it becomes apparent that "true religion" like its bedfellow "true worship" are baseless constructs employed by the JW org to frame the religious vision for their members. In the real world they do not exist! And who says humans need to worship anything ever? Only religious cults.

Worship is not precious, its an appalling waste of valuable time and it is JW org who contaminates people's minds not other religions.

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Is there evidence about Jaracz?

by Gorbatchov in

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read some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.

g..

Half banana

I was interrupted and didn't edit my last sentence--I meant to say that where an individual had committed a sin, confessed and then went on serving the org with blessings from God (how do you measure that?) then it was overlooked. Plenty of ambiguity here for high ranking sex abusers to remain anonymous I think.

Indeed there are rumours-- but sometimes it is possible to read between the lines. The ARC recognised that the JW org has an in-house system in place which purportedly deals with child abuse but conceals the identity of of the abusers and ignores the welfare of the victims.

Whoever instituted this arrangement (was Jaracz behind it?) must be culpable along with the governing body who willingly perpetuate it.

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Is there evidence about Jaracz?

by Gorbatchov in

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read some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.

g..

Half banana

Thank you for the clarification STADD.

@Simon, of course you are right, rumour is not evidence and should not be the basis for accusations. However we must investigate and put all the information into the open.

Regarding the woman who claimed to have been abused by Jaracz we are all in the same bind as JW org all too readily promotes that there needs to be a witness to the abuse which there never is. Without record of a forensic interview with the alleged victim, and with this distance in time, we will probably never know.

There remain the questions of why Jaracz was demoted and why was he the leading proponent of the unreasonable and hurtful cult protecting rule of "two witnesses". Only a person who has something to hide or who is totally insensitive to victims of the religion would do such a thing.

From his personality assessment it seems he was a company man through and through which means he would be useful to the org whatever he might have or not have done "two or three years before" and keep the approval of the remaining officers of HQ. (I refer here to the Watchtower around the same time introducing the new half hearted notion of forgiveness by means of appearing to have made a mistake but carrying on with evidence of Jehovah's blessing.)

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Is there evidence about Jaracz?

by Gorbatchov in

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read some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.

g..

Half banana

Looking into the matter, I realise that Dogpatch is Randy Watters.

I came across a reference to Jaracz who as a district overseer went into the bedroom of a poster on this site when he was a boy and turned on the light to look at him. Creepy or what!

I believe that it was Flipper who replied to the post but I can't find it again.

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Is there evidence about Jaracz?

by Gorbatchov in

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read some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.

g..

Half banana

About four years ago I wrote on Ex-JW forum that it was my conclusion that the proposal of using the Biblical precedent for “two witnesses” was a ploy which must have been instigated to hide pedophiles high up in the JW hierarchy.

The cleverness of the idea is that although it is illogical, since sexual perversion is by nature hidden, yet at the same time the Bible with its Bronze Age rulings, mentions the need for two witnesses before penalties are awarded to an accused person. The opportunist and pharisaical JW leaders chose to take the Jewish law literally and dogmatically without reference to reason and with self protection in mind.

Today I just found out who it was that introduced it: Theodore Jaracz.

Have a look at Dogpatch's post from 7 years ago quoting Randall Watters inside account of Knorr and Jaracz at the end of Knorr's life.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/207500/ever-changing-watch-tower-doctrines-betray-corruption

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Two May 19th articles about Lauren Stuart who killed her husband & two children-left a video & suicide note blaming sexual abuse & exclusion

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5748191/woman-blamed-sexual-abuse-ostracism-jehovahs-witness-reasons-killing-suicide.html.

revealed: ex-jehovah's witness turned model, 45, left a video and suicide note blaming childhood sex abuse and exclusion from her religion for killing her husband and children.

lauren stuart of keego harbor, michigan had been researching suicide methods on youtube and videos on how to use a glock for weeks .

Half banana

Another appalling tragedy, the result of convoluted reasoning, guilt and cultic teachings. The woman was still a believer in the JW belief system though excluded from fellowship.

I once had it explained to me by a sister who cheerfully reasoned that it was better to die to avoid the problems of remaining faithful and having to endure the stress of surviving Armageddon. I had to show her that this was a serious mistake and mentally unhealthy.

If you belong to a religion which puts “belief” and obedience to the Watchtower as the prime good above the value of the one life you experience-- as the JW cult does, it is not surprising that suicides and family murders will continue in this community.

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Suicide in the spiritual paradise all too common

by doubtfull1799 in

just heard that a young brother committed suicide this week - the whole congregation is naturally very distressed.

what a tragedy.

according to my source he'd only been married about a year and his wife found him - he’d hung himself.

Half banana

@ scratchme, don't you think that more to the point is the total disregard by JW HQ of the down side of their cult, the real consequences of being a JW-- private self loathing, cognitive dissonance, the neurotic obsession with religion, the suppression of personal expression and fulfilment?

Through the Watchtower study and JWTV they only project the way they think their flock should be, and not confront the reality of their followers who struggle to meet the inhuman standards they set.

There are much better and happier ways of living than slaving for the JW org. The poor man who died may have had problems but JW beliefs are never a practical help for troubled people.